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Ten years afterwards Jake Gyllenhaal starred in the battleground Brokeback Mountain — and about eight years afterwards the afterlife of co-star Heath Ledger — the amateur said he had no advisedly about demography the role aback it came his way.

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"It’s one of the best admirable scripts I’ve anytime read, and it was Ang Lee, and at the time Heath [Ledger] was a acquaintance of abundance — afore we alike attempt the cine — and consistently array of adorable to me," Gyllenhaal recalled.

"Heath was consistently somebody who I admired," he continued. "He was way above his years as a human, in a way. I wasn’t absolutely abiding area he came from. I mean, I apperceive he’s from Perth, but I wasn’t absolutely absolutely abiding area he came from, and I anticipate that’s the activity best bodies got aback they were about him and why he was so extraordinary. And aback that befalling came, I was a adolescent actor. I was like, 'Yeah, I’m in.' I apperceive a lot has been fabricated of the best to do it, but it aloof didn't assume like article that was alarming to me. You know, it was binding, because sometimes a lot of that appearance is actual accurately the added candidly gay appearance of the two. The one who's disturbing with it less. And I didn’t absolutely apprehend that. And that was an absorbing adventure for me, giving in to that idea. Actuality the one who tries to advance the relationship."

Gyllenhaal acclaimed that one of the things that afar him and Ledger was that the above had little acquaintance with animals, which he acquainted he bare to accept for the role. "It wasn't a affiliation that I had that was aloof in me," he said. "Heath, you know, would airing up to a horse and could like blackout the horse. Aloof absolutely he’d be like, 'Shh. Shh.' And afresh he’d get on the horse. I’d be like, 'I’m activity to get on you.' They’d be like, 'F— off!’ I didn’t absolutely accept that style.' "

The amateur took allotment in THR’s advancing account alternation The Hollywood Masters, which took abode Nov. 18 at Loyola Marymount University’s Academy of Blur & TV.

Asked if there will appear a time aback stars can aboveboard be gay, he said: "I ambition I had that answer. I anticipate it is changing. And it's appealing amazing how it's changing. And one of the things that I'm so appreciative of [about] that movie, was to see, aural the accomplished basically 10 years, how abundant has changed. Aback the Supreme Court [issued a ruling] aloof a little while ago, I acquainted like we had been part, a little allotment and bindle of that movement. I was proud, you know? To me that's absolutely a appealing cool moment. We had to delay a little while for it. But aback will it be OK for an amateur to be gay? I mean, it's OK now."

A abounding archetype follows.

GALLOWAY: You went to Columbia University — you alone out center through, but you went to absorption Eastern Religions and Philosophy. Why and what did that advise you?

GYLLENHAAL:  To be honest, I was at a loss, I think, in a lot of ways.  I was aggravating to bulk out area my intellect, if I absolutely accept one, area it fit. And so I was searching. I absolutely didn’t apperceive who I was or what I absolutely capital to be, and in that search, like I anticipate you do as an actor, you end up aggravating to ascertain whatever that is, and I array of said, “Oh well, analytic spiritually in a way is interesting, and Eastern adoration seems to be about a search.” And Robert Thurman was at Columbia, who’s one of the Western world’s best acclaimed thinkers in Eastern adoration —

GALLOWAY:  — abnormally aback his babe started acting —

GYLLENHAAL:  Yes. Uma Thurman is his daughter. And there was a chic alleged Intro to Tibetan Buddhism, and I aloof went in, and there were like 250 bodies cat-and-mouse to get into this class. My sister absolutely was at Columbia at the time, and she was activity to graduate, and she abutting me there. It was the alone chic we took together, which was appealing cool.  And they said, “OK, all freshmen leave,” and my sister was — bellow — “Stay.” And I was like, “OK.” And she was like, “Now all sophomores leave,” and I was like, “I should go.” And she was like, “Stay.” And afresh so on and so alternating until the I was the alone apprentice there. And she said, “Now airing up to the TA and say, you apperceive you’re a freshman, but you absolutely appetite to booty this class.” And so I did, and they were like, “Oh, yeah, sure, stay.”

GALLOWAY:  So she’s appealing savvy.

GYLLENHAAL:  All the added sheep aloof left, yeah. [LAUGHTER].  And that’s absolutely my sister in a nutshell. And afresh I concluded up blockage and falling in adulation with the ideas. And it was a abode area I acquainted creative, because at Columbia there’s no assuming arts department, so I was analytic for it everywhere I could, and I took some photography classes and I concluded up acceptable absorbed with Eastern Religion, and ultimately it seemed to beset the added abstruse apperception that I have.

GALLOWAY: So what fascinates you about it? Is it one accurate religion, or one accurate idea?

GYLLENHAAL: No. That’s apparently my problem.  I anticipate it’s more, at atomic at the time, a faculty of abstraction.  My apperception doesn’t absolutely assignment in a way area there’s a absolute faculty of something.  I go one way and afresh it opens up into a amateur altered ideas, and somehow, aback you attending at the art, Buddhist art, or decidedly Tibetan art, you know, it’s a agnate thing.  All of a abrupt there are a amateur lotus leaves and you’re afterward one to the abutting and to another, and I accompanying to that, and it acquainted simple and attainable to me.  And it fabricated me feel acute —  [LAUGHTER]  — which added capacity didn’t accomplish me feel.

GALLOWAY: Which capacity did not accomplish you feel smart?

GYLLENHAAL: Every added one.  [LAUGHTER] Because I could draw ideas.  I bethink autograph a cardboard for a academy class.  I bethink autograph a cardboard about — and this is activity to complete absolutely array of pretentious, but that’s area my apperception was at the time — how acting and the assuming artisan can absolutely be like a Bodhisattva, how they can acquaint ultimately an absorption in a way that can move and about-face things.  And that was wonderful.  I didn’t apperceive abounding classes area I could try and chronicle the affair that I absolutely admired and capital to do into an bookish idea, and that happened to be one of them.

GALLOWAY: Has that helped with your acting?

GYLLENHAAL: No. On a airy level, on a abode area you appetite to be a bigger beastly actuality and accept more, I try. I joke, but it has.  I mean, I don’t accede myself a accustomed Buddhist, you know.  But I do accept acutely in the ideas, and I anticipate anytime you accept absorption in anything, it somehow humbles you. So yes, I anticipate it has.

GALLOWAY: Your ancestors was actual creative. Your father’s a director, your mother’s a acclaimed screenwriter. Acutely Maggie, your sister, is an actress. How did they appearance you?

GYLLENHAAL: Oh, man. This is an hour right? [LAUGHTER] If I’m absolutely honest, I anticipate in absolute and abrogating ways. You know, actuality the youngest, I consistently accept that crisis of actuality the youngest, which ultimately is apparently my drive. in a lot of ways.  In agreement of as an artist, the way we could acquaint as a ancestors actual acutely was through movies and through acting, and aback things became complicated with all of our own personalities, that’s area we are best clear.  I anticipate that’s additionally area we are best barbarous with anniversary added as well.  

GALLOWAY: In what way?

GYLLENHAAL: This is interesting, but I anticipate we adulation anniversary added so abundant and apprehend so abundant from anniversary other, and I anticipate we apprehend a blazon of bluntness in the assignment that we all do.  And I was brought up, and my sister too, with two bodies who were consistently saying, “What you do is absolutely boilerplate abreast as important as the things that are activity on in the world, and if your assignment needs to reflect that, or you appetite it to, afresh you charge to strive for a assertive blazon of excellence.” Because things that are activity in the world, decidedly now, are no bout to what art can do, you know?  But you charge to strive to try and acquaint and try and change things in a agnate way.  And afresh bodies can anticipate that’s affected or whatever, but it’s your life’s work, and you’ve absitively that. That’s what they fabricated us believe. So we accept a appealing aerial standard, which is at times abundant and at times not.

GALLOWAY: Which assignment of castigation accept they admired the best and which accept they admired the least?

GYLLENHAAL: [LAUGHS] My mom’s a big fan of Bubble Boy. No. My sister and I, and my brother-in-law too, who’s an amateur —

GALLOWAY:  Peter Sarsgaard.  

GYLLENHAAL: — Peter Sarsgaard, he’s an amazing actor, and I would say that Peter has absolutely brought into my activity and my sister’s activity a faculty of attendance as an amateur that I never absolutely accustomed or knew about until I met him. They’ve been calm for a actual continued time, and he conflicting me to the absorption of the presentation. You know, as Uta Hagen would say, there’s the representational amateur and the adumbrative actor. He anon was a present, and he has consistently been a actual adumbrative actor. It’s consistently about accepting into who he is and bringing that always, not ambuscade abaft a mask.  You know, my sister came up to me afresh afterwards she saw this movie, Southpaw, the cine I did, and she anticipation there was this analysis of that blazon of presentation, and a bit of representation as well, if I could be absolutely honest, area she was acutely moved.  And I anticipate additionally what’s absorbing is that she knows how abundant the choices that I accomplish reflect what’s activity on in my life. Admittedly, probably, as my sister, and as addition who loves me — like, she can’t delay to see become a father… There are a lot of altered things that are spinning and abutting aback your ancestors sees what you do.

GALLOWAY: What did you beggarly aback you said: the choices that you accomplish reflect what’s activity on in your life?

GYLLENHAAL: I could anticipate of it two ways. Aback you accept the befalling to accept projects, accordingly you alpha actuality abashed appear the things that you’re abashed by, right? And that changes over time, as we change, right? I additionally anticipate aural the scene, a specific arena — if I were to ball a allotment that I played 10 years ago now, my estimation of that arena would be absolutely different. I would be authoritative altered choices. It’s absolutely [happening] appropriate now in the cine I’m making: I’m accomplishing one area of the cine area I’m arena 22 years old, which has been a actual absorbing affair for me. Because I can’t somehow decrease all of the adventures that I’ve had in my life. And it’s adorable to see, because about I’m actual cogitating in that.  You know, I’ve been arena basically absolutely abutting to 40 years old, so I’m about absent in age in this movie. But it’s been adorable to see that I can’t decrease that time.

GALLOWAY: How do you charm yourself at 22?

GYLLENHAAL: Some of it’s physical. You do what you can to accomplish your anatomy and your face and the impression. You accept advice from the cinematographer and how they ablaze you and all that, and afresh I try and acquisition and admission the genitalia of myself that still blindly accept and accept acceptance in a lot of things. I don’t beggarly to be cynical, but I’ve additionally apparent that I still accept a lot of those. And they may not be area I accustomed them to be. Maybe I’ve been in relationships, and this is a cine about relationships, like affair relationships — so maybe I’ve been in some that accept array of fabricated me lose my faith.  But abysmal bottomward inside, I still accept aphotic faith, you know?

GALLOWAY: You’re alone 34, don’t lose it yet!   [LAUGHTER]

GYLLENHAAL: I was alert to this Adele song, area she’s like, “When we were young...”  I was like, “You’re 27. Are you badinage me?

GALLOWAY:  But you feel so old aback you’re young. And weirdly you feel adolescent aback you get older.

GYLLENHAAL: Yeah. I anticipate that there’s absolutely this array of innocence, and I see that decidedly with my parents, that’s absolutely accessible, always. It’s aloof how abundant you absolutely appetite to admission it.

GALLOWAY: And abundant artists accept to accept some of that, right?

GYLLENHAAL: I don’t apperceive what you’re allurement me, but I anticipate so. I anticipate so.

GALLOWAY: You said article absolutely absorbing once: you said, “I’m a actual political person, and I accomplish political choices in my movies.” What did you beggarly by that?

GYLLENHAAL: I accept consistently had a abysmal acceptance that every movie, every aesthetic expression, is political. Don’t be fooled. Alike ones that we wouldn’t accede candidly political are political. Aback we absorb time accomplishing anything, whether it’s aberration or whether it’s article that we accept to face, it is consistently political. That’s my belief. Not to say that you should be consistently aggravating to change the world, but I anticipate it’s important to apperceive that whatever we do has an association and has an effect, and because of that it is political.

GALLOWAY: Accept you fabricated a political aberration — I mean, artistically accept you fabricated a political mistake, or a accommodation that you affliction from that point of view?

GYLLENHAAL:  Every day, all the time. You beggarly accurately in a project? Or aloof behaviorally?

GALLOWAY: Either one that you’d like to allocution about is accomplished by me.

[LAUGHTER]

GALLOWAY:  Aloof be warned, there’s a amusing media cosmos out there.

GYLLENHAAL: Oh, I have, accept me. We were badinage before, and we were demography a account and he was like, “I apprehend I don’t apperceive area these pictures go.” And I said, “When you booty a picture, that’s how you should feel always.” Mistake.  I don’t absolutely apperceive if I accept in that word. I assumption the acknowledgment to that catechism accurately is, no.  I don’t anticipate I’ve fabricated a mistake.  I anticipate I accept behaved in agency that I am appreciative of; I anticipate I’ve behaved in agency I’m not. I anticipate that I accept done assignment area I feel like I’ve challenged myself, and afresh what’s alike added ambagious is I’ve done assignment area I anticipate I’ve challenged myself and no one’s responded to it, and no one’s absorbed in it.  And afresh I’ve done assignment at times area I feel like, huh? Nothing’s accident and anybody goes [GASP] “Oh my God,” you know?  So in that way, as an amateur in particular, you’re powerless.  And so in that way as an amateur in accurate you can’t accomplish mistakes.

GALLOWAY: Is this why you started bearing recently?

GYLLENHAAL: To accomplish mistakes?  

[LAUGH]

GALLOWAY:  No, not to feel powerless. You produced Nightcrawler.  

GYLLENHAAL:  Yes.  I additionally accept an anguish to be a allotment of the whole.  I adulation storytelling, you know, above anything. I adulation a abundant adventure above a abundant performance.  Storytelling is about what we all do calm and how we coact together. A achievement can be a accord in ways, but oftentimes it’s one alone thing. I get off on the alternation with people, and I adulation the chess of a cine and decidedly — not alone in preproduction or in assembly or postproduction— the behavioral chess.  That is, acquirements and actuality ashamed by and additionally teaching assertive bodies assertive things.  I adulation that. As a producer, you accept an befalling to see the accomplished and accompany bodies together.

GALLOWAY:  Would you direct, too?

GYLLENHAAL:  Yeah.  

GALLOWAY:  And activity aback to this absorption that you adulation adventure — is there one story, one blur —

GYLLENHAAL: That was a mistake?

GALLOWAY: No, I alone that one. I’m absolution you off easy, you know. That absolutely resonates with you? One, growing up, that fabricated you say, “This is what I appetite to do?” I about appear aback to this affair — do you apperceive that Japanese blur Afterlife?  

GYLLENHAAL: Admirable movie, yeah.

GALLOWAY: You’re set in array of a way base amid this apple and the next.

GYLLENHAAL:  Like purgatory.  

GALLOWAY:  And you’re accustomed to booty one anamnesis with you.  You know?

GYLLENHAAL:  I apperceive I can’t beat Amy Adams acknowledgment to this question.  That’s guaranteed.

GALLOWAY: [LAUGHS] Did she allocution about this with you?  That’s so funny. You’re both actual absorbing guests, so…

GYLLENHAAL: Well, I will cautiously say she’s apparently one of, if not the best amateur that I’ve formed with. She’s extraordinary, and aback I allocution about alive with bodies who are added accomplished than you, she’s absolutely the aboriginal person, appropriate now, particularly, that comes to mind.

GALLOWAY:  So is there one blur that you would take?  

GYLLENHAAL:  Appealing abundant about any blur by Audiard, I would say.  

GALLOWAY:  Oh, Jacques Audiard. A Prophet?

GYLLENHAAL:  A Prophet, absolutely yes, absolutely. As a whole, as a film.  

GALLOWAY:  Say no more, what a abundant choice.

GYLLENHAAL: A Separation is addition blur that I anticipate is extraordinary, and one of those things that feels like it’s from addition planet, abundant like Terrence Malick’s movies did: at a assertive point, you feel like he’s an conflicting from addition planet cogent us and attractive at us and assuming us how we are. I additionally really, absolutely adulation Jerry McGuire.  

GALLOWAY: Yes.  It’s absolutely good.

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GYLLENHAAL: West Ancillary Story. I bethink as a kid, those things that stick with you, Goonies. That has a abstruse resonance with me, that movie.  

GALLOWAY:  Jake, you’re aerobatics from my…

GYLLENHAAL: [LAUGHS]

GALLOWAY: We alpha with Jacques Audiard and we end up with Goonies.

[LAUGHTER]

GYLLENHAAL: Good.  Good.  Good.  I like actuality up on date with addition and they don’t apperceive what they’re activity to get.  I acknowledge that.  And I’m boring activity like…

GALLOWAY: Was there a moment aback you absitively “I’m activity to be an actor?” You were in City Slickers at the age of 10.  Aback was the moment area you said, “OK, I’m an actor”?

GYLLENHAAL:  I absolutely don’t apperceive if I feel that way now. I anticipate it’s fleeting. I don’t anticipate it’s article area I say, “This is article that…” Because as an actor, no bulk what, you’re at the whim of so abounding added bodies all the time. Aftermost night, aback I was alive with Amy, I was like, “I’m an actor!” you know? But that came absolutely from watching her and activity affectionate of — you’ve got to assortment tag this —but activity adored that I was with her. You apperceive what I mean? You accept the activity that, “I becoming this exchange.” I did this Little Shop of Horrors encores achievement at City Center this accomplished June, and I was alive with Ellen Greene, who originated Audrey, and I was on date with her as she dies in the scene. She’s 64. You know, I’m 34, and I was a kid aback I watched her do it in the cine for the aboriginal time. And it was this aberrant mix of changeable and anomaly and amazing, this articulation that was ambagious to me. As a kid you’re like, woof, that’s barbarous and affective and so abounding things alloyed up into one, which is why that achievement is apparently one of the best archetypal performances ever, her achievement in Little Shop. And I’m sitting there captivation her in my arms, arena Seymour, and thinking, “I accept done all the assignment I’ve done to acquire this moment,” you know?  And I think, aback you say, “When did you feel like an actor?” it’s those moments aback I feel like, “I’m an actor, wow.” That’s an amazing moment for me. So it’s not like I airing about going, “I’m an actor.” I airing about cerebration job to job, aggravating to not accept regrets. Again, I would afresh accompany up Amy, but there was this moment aftermost night, it was like 3 a.m. and we were exhausted. She had done two super-brutal scenes, actual adamantine affecting scenes, and she was aloof spent. And sometimes, aback you’re in that space, you’re aggravating to acquisition annihilation you can — like coffee or active bottomward the artery — to get motivation.  And she aloof said, “That was too perfect. Can we aloof do it again, aloof one more?” And there was article about her not absent to accept regret, absent to apperceive aback she absolved home aback to her bivouac — she went home at 5 a.m. — that, “All right, I larboard as abundant as I could on the table.”

GALLOWAY: Hugh Jackman said about absolutely the aforementioned affair about you with Prisoners.

GYLLENHAAL:  Really?

GALLOWAY:  Yes. I appetite to allocution about your aboriginal big film. You did October Sky, and afresh you got the breach that at the time wasn’t a big hit, but in hindsight is an amazing film, Donnie Darko.  So let’s watch our aboriginal clip. I achievement I chose the appropriate scene.

GYLLENHAAL: [LAUGHS]  The red curtain.

GALLOWAY:  This is your life, Jake.  

GYLLENHAAL:  Oh no, [LAUGHS].  

[CLIP] [APPLAUSE]

GALLOWAY: It's such a admirable film. I don't anticipate I accomplished that aback I aboriginal saw it, and afresh I watched afresh aftermost week. It's chilling and haunting.

GYLLENHAAL: [pointing to an admirers member] This dude in the awning is, yeah.

[LAUGHTER]

GALLOWAY: So, Jason Schwartzman was meant to ball this part.

GYLLENHAAL:  Yes.

GALLOWAY:  Alone out, you came in.

GYLLENHAAL: Yeah.

GALLOWAY: How did you get in?  How did you adapt for that role?

GYLLENHAAL: Able-bodied at the time Jason and I — he's a acquaintance of mine. I bethink him advancing for a continued time, and afresh at the actual aftermost minute it all fell apart.  And he had aloof done Rushmore and he's cool in that. And I acquainted this, this pressure, you know.  I went in to accommodated with [director] Richard Kelly and he was badly attractive for an actor, because he capital to go. He had been absolutely annoyed with what he had and afresh it all fell apart. And he was like, “I aloof appetite to put it aback together, I don't appetite to lose it.” You know. “You assume cool.” So there was that, there this amateur who I aloof consistently anticipation was abundant and I didn't know.  And I acquainted that way the accomplished time I was accomplishing it.  I thought, “Man, Jason would be so acceptable in this.” And he would accept been. That's the added affair about arena roles: You I'm absorbed to apperceive what added actors accept done with the roles that I play.  

GALLOWAY:  Did you allocution to him about what he would accept done with it?

GYLLENHAAL:  No.  We did not allocution about that, no. I bethink it all accident actual fast.

GALLOWAY:  Were you abashed about accomplishing it or did you not apperceive abundant at that point to be nervous?

GYLLENHAAL: I'm consistently abashed about it. You know, somehow, afterwards alike alive it, I try and charm the absorption of what it feels like to go in advanced of an admirers every night aback I'm authoritative a film. And that agnate blazon of accountability and action afore a scene, or advancing for a movie, so...

GALLOWAY: That's interesting, because I would accept admitting your ambition would accept been to relax, not to anatomy the accountability up on yourself.

GYLLENHAAL: There are standards. I like to be prepared, I assumption I should say — that blazon of accountability of, “All right, now you go with abandon,” you know. Now aback you're in it, you let go of all the things — that’s what happens aback you're onstage. You accept academic rehearsal, a lot of things you don't accept in movies — which is, you accept to formally rehearse. You accept to apperceive your aback story, altercate it, and about everybody onstage has to apperceive anniversary other's [story], so that aback it comes time to absolutely do it, you can bandy it all away. That's the way I like to — and I didn't apprehend until actual afresh — that's the way I like to adapt for movies.

GALLOWAY: Accept you formed with an acting coach? I don't anticipate you anytime took any academic acting lessons, did you?

GYLLENHAAL: Aback I was younger, I did. I went to this abode alleged Actors Amplitude in the Valley. I was appealing young, and we were accomplishing acting and improvisation. But no, no I didn't go to RADA, I didn't do that. But I do now assignment with an acting coach, primarily for the antecedent bookish affiliation to the material. And afresh sometimes you charge an anchor, whatever it ability be. You charge a amplitude to connect. So about you get into a way of accomplishing things. You accept your archetypal way of advancing and you're like, “OK, I'm ready.”  And afresh you're a bit lost, because you don't accept article to affix to whatever it is. And that's what she provides for me. And oftentimes, too, aloof animadversion me about a little bit. There's no absolute plan with us and I don't absolutely anytime accept that. It's aloof animadversion you out. As an actor, too, I feel like I'm somebody who, aback somebody gives me a mark, I don't appetite to hit it. I don't like that. But then, afterwards alike alive it, I aloof hit it. And afresh it accessories me  You know, that's the attributes of an amateur in a lot of ways. I was alive with Michael Shannon on this cine I'm accomplishing now, and I was like, "Oh man I'm accepting agitation with this scene."  And he's like, "Well, afresh aloof attainable it up." I was like, "But, the mark?" And I was like, what's amiss with me? And he was like, "Dude, what's amiss with you?" [LAUGHTER] There's the attributes of an amateur that, addition says “Go over there and do this,” and you go like, "OK. Yes I can do that so well."

GALLOWAY:  Because you appetite to please?

GYLLENHAAL: There's allotment of that. And I think, for me, there's additionally that I accept the adverse ancillary of the camera. I accept a abstruse account for that. I accept formed with bodies who, aback you hit that mark, are accomplishing 50 percent of your assignment for you. So, you know, it's a balance. Aback you airing into a mark and you're lit a assertive way or something's accident so about you don't apperceive what's abaft you...  And that's what's so aberrant about actuality a cine actor.

GALLOWAY: Did you apprehend Donnie Darko to be like this aback you were cutting it?  Or did you anticipate it was activity to be a altered affectionate of film?

GYLLENHAAL: I anticipation — I mean, I was 19, I anticipation it was activity to be the best cine anytime made. [LAUGHTER] And anybody was activity to see it and it was aloof activity to be incredible. And afresh cipher saw it and it didn't get bought at Sundance. And it was a absolutely abundant experience. Humbling. And afresh it's aback begin its way.

GALLOWAY: Do you accept what's activity on in the film?

GYLLENHAAL: Yes.

GALLOWAY: If you go to the web, as you know, there are websites adherent to Donnie Darko and the Tangent Universe.

GYLLENHAAL:  There are websites?

GALLOWAY:  Oh, absolutely —

GYLLENHAAL:  Oh, wow, oh.

GALLOWAY: — consistently updated, that explain the Tangent Universe, that explain the absorption of time travel.

GYLLENHAAL: [LAUGHS] I don’t understand. That’s a absolute decay of time.

GALLOWAY: You said, “I don't accept it.” So I wondered if that had changed.

GYLLENHAAL: I do. I mean, we started the chat starting about abstraction, and about why I affix to actual and for what reason. About times it's absolutely adamantine for me to bright why I affix to something. But I apperceive absolutely what that movie's about. I can't ascertain it; it doesn't tie up in a absolute bow. But it's about adolescence. It's about what it feels like — this isn't meant as a criticism, but like things I didn't chronicle to, which were aerial academy movies. Area I'd watch it and I'd be like, “Well, am I like the kid that cipher likes? Or am I like the actuality who everybody [likes]?” I couldn't [tell]. I was like quantifying, putting me in a box. “This is my personality at that age” and “I'm this affectionate of person” aloof acquainted like babble to me. And to me Donnie Darko was about adolescence.  And about how, as anon as you alpha to abound up and you array of move out into the world, you apprehend aggregate is so trippy. That annihilation can be anything.  And that's according amounts agitative as it is frightening. And that you can accomplish a connection, but the affiliation can be with a rabbit, and a man in a suit. And that you can see things and bodies can anticipate you're crazy, but you're absolutely not. I anticipate that's what that cine is to me. And there are all these account that Richard threw in there — Stephen Hawking's account and things like that.  

GALLOWAY: You've fabricated some actual adventurous choices and I wonder, aback you came to do Brokeback Mountain, if you were abashed of that? Let's watch. It's actual adamantine to get a abbreviate clip.

GYLLENHAAL:  I know. I'm aggravating to bulk out what blow you picked.  I'm like, “Here we go.  All right!” [LAUGHTER]

GALLOWAY: You can guess?  This is appear the end of the movie.

[CLIP] [APPLAUSE]

GALLOWAY:  Does that accompany aback memories?

GYLLENHAAL: Yeah. It absolutely does. I was like, “It absolutely does.” [LAUGHTER] Yeah it does.  It's funny, I was cerebration about it: I haven't apparent that in a while, but so abounding jokes accept been fabricated about "I can't abdicate you." It's like, “My God!” And it's not alike on my face. The attempt is on my back.

GALLOWAY: Right, it was actual able seeing that. But it's one of the abundant cine curve and everybody who has been in an acute accord has got to that point.

GYLLENHAAL: Isn't that amazing?

GALLOWAY: I adulation the actuality that it's not on your face.

GYLLENHAAL: Not on your face. The ability of the story.

GALLOWAY: It's amazing how the apple has afflicted because, at that time, a lot of actors didn't appetite to ball a gay role.

GYLLENHAAL:  Mm-hmm.

GALLOWAY:  Did you feel that pressure?

GYLLENHAAL:  Now everybody does.

[LAUGHTER]

GYLLENHAAL: Did I feel the pressure? No. I anticipate maybe naively, but additionally aloof I had been brought up a altered way. I had been brought up in an elementary academy where, my aboriginal few grades, I bethink actuality accurately told that my agents were gay.  I was aloof that age and that was aloof how it was, and my parents were very... You know, that's how I was raised. Like super-progressive. And so it's aloof article I took for granted, weirdly. At the time. I think, now, adolescent ancestors do booty that for accustomed in a lot of ways. I don't anticipate that takes abroad from the attempt of appearance and what that is.  But the attempt for appearance is everybody's struggle. No bulk what it is.

GALLOWAY:  Do you attempt for identity?

GYLLENHAAL: I'm an actor.

[LAUGHTER]

GYLLENHAAL:  I beggarly it. Absolutely relatable. You apperceive what I mean.  But at the time, I aloof went, “It's Ang Lee.” It's one of the best admirable scripts I've anytime apprehend and it was Ang Lee, and at the time Heath [Ledger] was a acquaintance of abundance — afore we alike attempt the cine — and consistently array of adorable to me. Heath was consistently somebody who I admired.  He was way above his years as a human, in a way. I wasn't absolutely abiding area he came from. I mean, I apperceive he's from Perth, but I wasn't absolutely absolutely abiding area he came from and I anticipate that's the activity best bodies got aback they were about him and why he was so extraordinary. And aback that befalling came I was a adolescent actor. I was like, “Yeah, I'm in.”  I apperceive a lot has been fabricated of the best to do it, but it aloof didn't assume like article that was alarming to me. You know, it was binding, because sometimes a lot of that appearance is actual accurately the added candidly gay appearance of the two.  The one who's disturbing with it less. And I didn't absolutely apprehend that.  And that was an absorbing adventure for me, giving into that idea. Actuality the one who tries to advance the relationship.  And I anticipate in a actual simple way bodies would say, “Oh the array of added changeable character.” I don't alike apperceive what the hell that means, but I've been told that abounding times — you know, the one who wants the accord or something. That was an absorbing affair for me.

GALLOWAY: How did you adapt for that?

GYLLENHAAL: Heath and I spent a lot of time, a lot of things were aloof about...  The bigger thing, and this is activity to complete odd, but the bigger affair that I did was: I had not spent a ton of time about animals as a kid.  It wasn't a affiliation that I had that was aloof in me.  Heath, you know, would airing up to a horse and could like blackout the horse. [LAUGHTER] Do you apperceive what I mean? Aloof absolutely he'd be like, "Shh shh."  And he'd be like [MAKES HORSE SOUND]. [LAUGHTER] And afresh he'd be like, "I'm activity to get on you now." [MAKES HORSE SOUND].  And afresh he'd get on the horse.  I'd be like, "I'm activity to get on you."  They'd be like “Pfft, f—k off!” [LAUGHTER] I didn't absolutely accept that style, so one of the things I did was: I got a dog. I apperceive it sounds funny, but I got a dog and that dog died six months ago.

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GALLOWAY: Oh.

GYLLENHAAL: Yeah.

GALLOWAY: What affectionate of dog?

GYLLENHAAL: He was a German shepherd. His name is Atticus and he accomplished me. So, that was the aboriginal thing. And the added affair was, really, I talked to a lot of people. A lot. Decidedly aloof audition stories. Ang gave us a lot of books about cowboys who had been gay or acceptance about it and all that stuff. And I aloof talked to a lot of my accompany —who [was] their first, decidedly same-sex, aboriginal situation. That was adorable to me —trying to apprentice what that was in a assertive aeon of time. Assertive age. The clandestineness complex in it. All those things.  

GALLOWAY: What abashed you best about what you begin out?

GYLLENHAAL: Aloof the clandestineness of it. How abundant it had to be. And afresh [that] became a allotment of their absorption of sexuality. That was adorable to me. That we all advance relationships with anniversary added based on our aboriginal relationships, and afresh how we acquaintance them. But accordingly they are echoes of beforehand on. In my belief. And so aback article is not accepted, somehow that becomes allotment of how we become admiring to it. Does that accomplish sense?

GALLOWAY: Yes, absolutely.

GYLLENHAAL: So I was absorbed with that. That what ties these two characters calm is not aloof a love, but a loneliness. I anticipate primarily it was abysmal loneliness. And what I consistently say about that movie, which I anticipate maybe over time is added understood, is that this is about two bodies badly attractive for love. To be loved. And who were apparently able of it. And they aloof begin it with addition of the aforementioned sex, you know.  And that does not abolish the actuality that it is about, really, primarily, the aboriginal affectionate of actual abstruse gay adulation story. Hopefully it can actualize an adequation of an idea: that is, it's attainable that you can acquisition adulation anywhere. That acquaintance exists in so abounding places that assemblage and association won't consistently acquiesce us to see. And we won't acquiesce ourselves to see, because of what criticism — and danger, absolutely — it ability provoke.

GALLOWAY: It's still adamantine for a cine ablaze to be gay. I mean, if you're activity to be a appearance actor, it's one thing. Aback will that change?

GYLLENHAAL:  You're allurement me? [LAUGHTER] Aback will that change? Look, I beggarly to ask, I think, aback a lot of things will change? I ambition I had that answer. I mean, I anticipate it is changing, aboriginal of all.  And it's appealing amazing how it's changing.  And one of the things that I'm so appreciative of, in agreement of actuality in that movie, was to see how, aural the accomplished basically 10 years, how abundant has changed. You know. Aback the Supreme Court anesthetized aloof a little while ago, I acquainted like we had been part, a little allotment and bindle of that movement.  You know. My parents accomplished me as a kid: do your work. Do it well. Try as adamantine as you can, whatever it is. It will one day, for the continued [run], it will accomplish some array of change somewhere. You know, that happened there.  It was so acutely affective to me that day [when the Supreme Court gave a cardinal in favor of gay marriage] aback my mother — I bethink I was at Little Shop of Horrors.  We were in rehearsal. I was freaking out, because we had like six canicule of alarm and four performances. It was a staged reading, and it was like, I didn't apperceive what I was doing.  And we were in alarm and my mom beatific me the decision. And she aloof said, “Sometimes adulation does win out,” I remember.  And I was aloof air-conditioned proud.  I beggarly I was proud, you know? To me that's absolutely a appealing cool moment.  We had to delay a little while for it.  But aback will it be OK for an amateur to be gay? I mean, it's OK now.

GALLOWAY: Michelle Williams said Ang Lee was actual boxy on the boys. In what way?

GYLLENHAAL:  Well, I anticipate it's a cultural thing, in a way. We are all from altered cultures, you know.  Heath's Australian, really. I'm from here. Ang's from China. But I anticipate Ang gets actual abutting in preproduction and rehearsals.  And afresh he allows his actors — I don't anticipate abashed of actors, but I anticipate he's abashed of accepting in on the scenes he's watching. The amplitude he's watching. So he aloof absolutely disconnects from you while you're shooting.  And I anticipate it's amazing what happens because he gets actual abutting and afresh he lets you off these reins, you know, and you're like [MAKES NOISE].  And I anticipate he was acquainted of what the stakes were.  And he had aerial expectations for us, you know.  And we had a lot of accountability to backpack with that accord and those two characters.  A lot.  I beggarly there was a lot there and he had to get it right.  And he's tough, you know?  I mean, he aloof is and that's what makes him the amazing administrator he is.  And I accept grown, and I do adulation that from my directors.  Aback they advance you.

GALLOWAY:  I apperceive you actual abundant like alive with Sam Mendes on Jarhead. Did he absolute you on stage? Did he do the Kenneth Lonergan play?

GYLLENHAAL:  No. He didn't.

GALLOWAY:  OK. Why do you like alive with him so much?  What makes a administrator that you as an amateur acknowledge to?

GYLLENHAAL:  Able-bodied he aloof accustomed me to accomplish what we would alarm mistakes and had no acumen of them.  He additionally empowered me.  You know, he's like, "You're my actor.  I chose you. Whatever you do is right." Right? "I fabricated the decision, I'm complicit in allotment you. And I went through aggregate I could to accept you, so I feel acceptable and whatever you're activity to do I'm activity to accord you this space."  And so it was actual empowering.  It was like he aloof absolutely gave me this confidence.  And at the aforementioned time was actual acquainted of my apparatus and how to array of advance and cull it.  I like the acquainted abetment that a abundant administrator can have.  Aback you're both complicit in the abetment of an emotion.  Meaning, Sam sometimes would appear up to me and he would alpha talking to me and we'd be talking about a arena and afresh he would aloof airing abroad from me. And it would piss me off.  And afresh he'd cycle the camera in this very... and it would abscess up in me in this way and I aloof accomplished he affectionate of angry article up and afresh he airtight it off and he aloof attempt it. And actuality acquainted that he was starting to blend with me concluded up absolutely feeling, I don't apperceive if this sounds absolutely dark, but like it absolutely acquainted great, you know.  We were in a accord area we were acquainted of what was happening.  And he's aloof so smart, too.  There's consistently an bookish ancillary to the films he's accomplishing and to the characters, and there's such a abysmal ability aback you've formed with the actors that he's formed with, on date in particular, but additionally in film.

GALLOWAY: Do you anticipate ability helps or hurts an actor?

GYLLENHAAL:  I think, in the antecedent action of advertent a appearance and the analytic action — and this is what I did booty from Buddhism —initially I anticipate there has to be an analytical, bookish approach.  And that has to be alone by the time you’re arena the game.  You run your plays, you apperceive your plays, you absorption your plays, you absorption the added team, you do as abundant as you can, you go to practice, you get in shape, you do what you charge to do, and afresh by the time you get to the game, you apperceive your plays, but they accept to feel like they’re in your bones.  That has to be an benumbed thing, it cannot be conscious.  That is aggregate to me.

GALLOWAY: And can you advance that, booty afterwards take?

GYLLENHAAL:  No.

GALLOWAY: OK, so now I appetite to allocution about your assignment with a administrator who demands booty afterwards take, and how you do that. So we’re activity to attending at a blow from —

GYLLENHAAL:  Zodiac. [LAUGHS]

GALLOWAY:  Zodiac, yes. You’re on the aisle of a consecutive killing and this may be the guy appropriate here.

GYLLENHAAL:  What’s it about?

[LAUGHTER]

[CLIP] [APPLAUSE]

GALLOWAY: I adulation the way you’re attractive at that thing, and realizing, “Oh my god, this guy ability be the killer,” and it’s altogether calibrated.  You know, it would be so attainable to do too much, or not enough, and it’s this ability that we can feel, and afresh you go into the basement and we’re all screaming, “Get out of the basement, get out of that basement!” Jane Fonda was here, and she said the toughest affect for her to act was fear. What’s the toughest for you?

GYLLENHAAL: The easiest is anger, not aloof for me but in general.  I anticipate aggregate is additionally actual easy. That’s consistently a absence to go to. Hardest emotion? They’re all appealing abuse hard; I don’t apperceive absolutely if there’s one specifically, but I do think, I don’t apperceive what’s accident or what I’m activity aback I’m absolutely listening. I bethink Chris Cooper adage to me — I was accomplishing October Sky with him — and he said, “You know, you’re aloof babble at me.” He’s like, “You’re aloof yelling. You charge to listen.” We were in a fight, and you know, oh you’d get so aflame as an actor, you’re like, “We accept a fight, oh, I get to get mad.” And he aloof said, “You charge to listen.” And I started alert — and afresh all of a abrupt area I was alert was where, I don’t know, acrimony became article else.  But I don’t apperceive about what the hardest one is. I anticipate I’m about — fear, abhorrence is actual still, so in agreement of that affectionate of abhorrence — there’s so abounding altered kinds of fear, but abhorrence is something, decidedly in movies, that’s interesting, because it’s created by the blur maker, that was created by Fincher, that’s why he’s brilliant. So, to me it’s added important, in agreement of the director, because whatever story’s actuality told has to be water-tight, and afresh whatever movement you make, like I said, you accept to do less, or you know, or the adverse of.

GALLOWAY:  He’s a actual accurate director, and does booty afterwards booty afterwards take.  Do you like that? And how do you assignment with a administrator like that?

GYLLENHAAL:  I don’t anticipate I had any absorption at the time how to assignment with addition as adept as he is. And I don’t anticipate at the time I absolutely accustomed what was happening.  I anticipate I was in a amplitude area I was like: there are all these things. I bethink aback we were filming, aback Brokeback Mountain was advancing out, and there were all these awards and stuff, and every night they were allurement us to go to about else, and I was cutting all these takes with David, and I was aloof confused, as a person, and as an amateur activity a little too big for my britches and that this affair was accident and afresh additionally not accepting abundant accomplishment yet, and address to apperceive absolutely area I was, and apperceive about the character.  So, aback I attending at that now, all I anticipate about is what a adept I was alive with, and all of the things I could accept watched and abstruse — and I didn’t.  And how, now, in my career, how I would adulation to accept a ton of takes.

GALLOWAY: That’s so interesting.

GYLLENHAAL: It’s to be cherished, and I anticipate that’s a big affair you learn, too. I anticipate I assignment as adamantine as I do now, because of a lot of acquaint I’ve abstruse aboriginal on. And the bulk of alertness I saw from addition like Fincher, and how acquainted he is of everybody else’s job on the set, and how abundant account he has for every aspect of the film, and every aspect of the anatomy — that’s the blazon of amateur I am now; it’s not the blazon of amateur I was then. But afterwards compassionate his process, and afresh advancing to apprentice it afterwards on, I would never be the amateur I am now.

GALLOWAY: You said you had an epiphany aback you were 30 years old, but you did abundant assignment afore afresh too.

GYLLENHAAL: You’ve consistently been candied about that. Acknowledge you. [LAUGHTER]

GALLOWAY: It’s not just, “Oh wow, you’ve done Nightcrawler and Southpaw and End of Watch, which I love. You did amazing assignment afore that. What was the epiphany? Was it triggered by Prince of Persia, which wasn’t a success? What led to it and how did you change?

GYLLENHAAL: I don’t appetite to be aerial aback I say this, but I don’t apperceive what a success is any more. I apperceive how we ascertain it, but that was a moment area I went, “Wait, who am I?” You could feel the business, in particular, affectionate of go “He’s all right, let’s go over here.” I started to go, “Wait, I apperceive why I adulation to do this.” I anticipate I got off clue in why I adulation to do it.  And I like the aloofness of it, I like the acquaintance of it, I like that aback you actualize you absolutely do actualize with a actual babyish accumulation of people, and in that space, afore it goes out to all these people, that’s what I love.  And so I went, “I’m activity to accord aggregate to that. The aftereffect of that doesn’t absolutely matter,” and ultimately, it’s article I accept no ascendancy over.  Though, it looks like that aback it’s your face. So I went, “I’m activity to accord aggregate in alertness to that process, and the apple afore it.” I started to apprehend I adulation study, I adulation the absorption of beastly behavior, I adulation how you’re sitting and the acumen you angry your shoes the way you did, I adulation your —

GALLOWAY:  You apperceive the acumen why I angry my shoes the way I did? [LAUGHTER]

GYLLENHAAL:  Apparently because you’re not abundant at absorbed your shoes. [LAUGHTER]

GALLOWAY:  No, I feel in a nine-foot abysmal aperture in Cuba.

GYLLENHAAL:  No way.

GALLOWAY:  Absolutely banged up my foot, so if I do it too bound it hurts, but there is a reason, and I’m afflicted that you empiric that.

GYLLENHAAL:  But that, to me, that’s everything, to me that’s so fun, I mean, that’s area I went like, I mean, wherever you acquisition your fun, you know.

GALLOWAY:  It wasn’t abundant fun.

GYLLENHAAL:  Yeah. [LAUGHS]

GALLOWAY: Actuality yanked out, you know.

GYLLENHAAL:  Well, you’re not a able shoe-tier, nor should you be because that’s array of shameful, but I would say that —  

GALLOWAY: I’m cutting a casting new clothing here.

GYLLENHAAL: Your suit’s a lot better. [LAUGHS] But you’ve got to acquisition your fun, like I found, aback I allocution about actuality onstage, I aloof get excited, it makes me excited.  I feel like my activity is worthwhile.  I deathwatch up in the morning and I’m like yeah, you know, and I anticipate about walking from my accommodation to the subway, , accepting on the alms and activity up to the theater, walking and adage hi to everybody on my way there, walking into the theater.  I may be tired, but I aloof —

GALLOWAY:  Aback you had that epiphany, was it while you were authoritative a film, and what was the aboriginal blur that you fabricated afterwards that?

GYLLENHAAL:  End of Watch was absolutely the cine that I fabricated area it was quiet, aggregate was quiet.

GALLOWAY:  Which is such a admirable film.  And afresh you formed this accord with Denis Villeneuve.

GYLLENHAAL: Yes, that was quiet too, until everybody fell in adulation with Denis. Now it’s absolutely loud.

GALLOWAY:  Let’s booty a attending at Prisoners, which is absolutely excellent. This is a actual barbarous scene, I should acquaint you.  Actuality we go.

[CLIP] [APPLAUSE]

GALLOWAY: A absolutely acceptable scene. You ball the cop, a detective with a tic, with a slight abashed tic, which afresh is beautifully calibrated. How did you actualize that character, and what led to the tic?

GYLLENHAAL: I apprehend the script, and I had this idea. He was a array of bare canvas, that character, on the page. There were abounding choices that could be fabricated with him, and I aloof got this absorption while I was account it _ that it would be adorable in a abstruseness adventure to accept the cop be the big catechism mark.  Who, essentially, I knew in the end was the good, really, fundamentally acceptable guy. But if I could f—k with the admirers abundant to anticipate that, in their accepted idea, he maybe could be the bad guy, through best it. Afresh it’d be air-conditioned fun.  Because it meant, it gave me a apple of best throughout every scene.  So all of a abrupt those somewhat banal scenes of claiming and things you see in so abounding movies became — you know, you opened yourself up to a apple of countless choices, and so article came to me physically, it came from that awe-inspiring abode of aptitude area I went, “Oh, what if he’s captivation back, obviously, his feelings?” He’s a adolescent guy, but he’s apparent a lot, and he’s never been able to absolutely announcement himself, so abundant verbally and maybe that disability to accurate comes through a faculty of array of frustration, and maybe that frustration’s announced in a tic of some kind, and I acquainted that in my eyes, somewhere, and I got calm with Denis, who I accept a actual open, aesthetic accord with, and I aloof started arena about with it, and acutely it air-conditioned him out aback I aboriginal did it.  I was like, [blinks this eyes]. He was like, “Uh, you know…” And I apperceive in his mind, he’s like, “How am I gonna f—ing adapt that? Do we adapt on the blink, afore the blink, afterwards the blink, and I’m like exactly. [LAUGHS]  So, I had that antecedent idea, and afresh I aloof started, afresh aggregate array of spun out from there.  I was fascinated. I adulation Serpico, you know, and I was cerebration about badge officers, and I had a lot of badge administrator accompany from my assignment on End of Watch, actual abutting detective friends. I didn’t ball a detective, but they were all detectives, and they were amazing men that I met on that movie.  And so I started burglary from them.  Like, I adulation aggravating to bulk out, like who pulled the absolute over my eyes, it’s aloof my thing, I’m like hmm?  You know.  ‘Cause I anticipate as an amateur you accept that nature, you’re affectionate of like, what’s absolutely activity on?  And so that aptitude led me additionally to aloof the primary analysis of interrogations, and afore that arena in particular, I watched a videotaped claiming area the doubtable absolutely attempt himself, for real.  And so, I absolved into that arena with the absoluteness of these things absolutely happening.  Because aback I apprehend it on the folio first, I went like, “Uh, this feels like a affectionate of writerly thing,” you know.  It acquainted like that, it didn’t feel air-conditioned absolute to me.  And aback I searched far enough, I begin that, that happens absolutely often.

GALLOWAY: Wow.

GYLLENHAAL: You know, there were these amazing, really, absolutely adamantine things to watch of suspects in the room, sitting there, not accepting been searched. There was one guy that happened to accept been searched appropriately by the badge — there’s so abounding altered agency a doubtable gets the detectives.  Aback they assuredly get to the detectives, there’s a faculty of like, they’ve been searched, they’ve been put in a corpuscle for long, they’re assuredly there in the allowance to be interrogated, there are a lot of assumptions fabricated by every footfall alternating the way, and acutely sometimes mistakes were made.  And in this case that I saw, he still had a gun on him.  So he was handcuffed, and here’s there, who knows what it is, and the administrator walks in, he’s on his phone, allurement him, accomplishing what you do normal, actual normal.  And he says, “You appetite a bottle of water?” The guy says yes, admiral walks aback outside, and aback he walks alfresco to get a cup of water, the guy pulls a gun out of boilerplate — he still had his gun on him that they hadn’t begin — and he aloof attempt himself, and that fabricated that real.  You know, I anticipate I’m not in this assignment to not attending at activity as it is.  I’m not in it to say, “I appetite to abrasion a affectation and escape,” you know.  I appetite to apperceive what’s accident in the world, and I appetite to accept it blow me in a way that I can do something, my little allotment like that, and accept it somehow translate.  And so that’s what I did there, you know, that’s a specific work, but in agreement of creating a character, I will additionally accord massive acclaim to Donald Mowat, who’s the architecture artisan on that movie, who I met on that movie.  And, he gave me the absorption that there is no continuity, that there is no absolute chain ultimately, decidedly on the face or in a character. We can airing out of this allowance abnormally than we absolved in it, through a door, whatever our barter is, my face can attending different, it absolutely can, accustomed what happens, and doesn’t beggarly you get punched, you accept a atramentous eye. Emotionally there are things accident that affect us.  And he was the aboriginal actuality to absolutely appearance me that through that through makeup, article that a lot of bodies accede to be a actual arrogant array of administration at this day and age now, in a lot of agency — he absolutely opened my eyes.  It was beautiful. I absolved in — in that cine I get attempt in the arch at one point — and I absolved in that day — this is additionally area I anticipate the cosmos deliveries appealing absorbing things where, if you accept enough, you know, it will acknowledge itself somehow — I had a headache. I was aloof like, “Ahh man, my arch is killing me today.” And Donald’s like, “That’s great.” [LAUGHS] And I was like, “Ohh.” He’s like, “Where?” I said, “Here, abaft my eyes on my appropriate side, it’s aloof killing me.” And he was like, “Great. Able-bodied afresh the ammo should go there.” The ambition draws alternating the arrow.

GALLOWAY:  It’s so abundant that you abstruse article axiological about acting from your architecture person.

GYLLENHAAL:  Oh my God. Alive with Jim Sheridan for instance, we did this cine Brothers. Jim will ask anybody — we’ll get a commitment on set, and like the poor commitment guy will be like, “Here’s your pizza,” and he’ll be like, “Come over here. Appear here. I appetite to ask you a question. Do you anticipate this is real?”  And he’s like, “Is that Natalie Portman?” and he’s like, “Yeah. What do you think? Do you anticipate she’s acceptable in it? Should we do addition take?”  And they’re like, “I, uh, you appetite your pizza?” There’s no abashment in everybody’s ideas.  There’s no abashment in somebody not knowing. There’s no abashment in somebody who doesn’t necessarily do that job alive a little bit added in that instance than you ability apperceive about your own job, you know, and I anticipate that is area movies are such a collaborative art form.

GALLOWAY: You said you’re not fatigued to arena characters with masks, but you about played Spiderman, and you about played Batman. Would you appetite to today?

GYLLENHAAL:  There are a lot of added almosts.  I was about in Dude, Where’s my Car?

GALLOWAY:  That’s a classic.

GYLLENHAAL:  There were a lot of bodies who about played Bubble Boy, you know.

GALLOWAY:  Would you appetite to do a superhero movie?

GYLLENHAAL:  It’s so funny, because they’re so prevalent. I don’t accept a “I appetite to ball this or that,” I aloof don’t accept that. I’ve never been like that. Bodies say to me, able-bodied “What’s the appearance you absolutely appetite to play?” And I go, I don’t know, I... there are bodies who I anticipate would be fascinating, but you know, if there’s a air-conditioned hero that is you know, gives me, or I don’t alike apperceive if it’s the character, it’s absolutely the director, addition who gives me that amplitude to actualize article absorbing with it, you know, those are the characters I love.  It’s like, so it’s not, you know, at times aback I anticipate you’re talking about those movies, there’s a time area you know, you’re a adolescent amateur and you’re aloof like, oh man, like I can ball this like air-conditioned hero that’s so cool, you know, and it is cool, but I anticipate for appropriate now, I aloof appetite to assignment with bodies I absolutely like, and who, who anticipate I’m good.

GALLOWAY:  Yes, that helps.

GYLLENHAAL:  No, it does, I beggarly it’s everything.

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GALLOWAY:  Absolutely. Added people’s acceptance changes you. We all accept insecurity, and uncertainty, and to accept that afterglow casting over you by somebody that you respect, makes a gigantic difference.

GYLLENHAAL: It’s everything.

GALLOWAY: It is.

GYLLENHAAL:  It is aggregate because it teaches you how to anatomy it in yourself so that boring you can be anywhere and be cool. And by cool, I don’t beggarly cool. I beggarly attainable and a mess.  [LAUGHS] Like we are.

GALLOWAY:  Right.  I appetite to allocution about a role you did appetite to ball abundant that you produced the film. It's absolutely one of your abundant roles: Nightcrawler.  

GYLLENHAAL:  Air-conditioned vulnerable.

GALLOWAY:  And air-conditioned interesting, by the way. Air-conditioned strange.

GYLLENHAAL:  Yeah.  Yeah.  I adulation him so much.

[CLIP]

GYLLENHAAL:  Oh man, Dan Gilroy.

GALLOWAY:  Yes. And by the way, Rene Russo's so acceptable in that.

GYLLENHAAL:  Oh Rene is amazing.  Yeah.

GALLOWAY:  And I admired alert to the admirers reactions to anniversary line.  You know?  Aback I met you we did this roundtable for The Hollywood Reporter, and Jake showed up attractive awful.  Wow, I thought, he was this affectionate of a handsome guy, you know? But I assumption you'd absent 30 pounds to do Nightcrawler.

GYLLENHAAL:  Yep.

GALLOWAY:  What drew you to this part?  And how did you lose 30 pounds?

GYLLENHAAL:  Um…

GALLOWAY:  What did you not eat?

GYLLENHAAL: I aloof ran, you know. I ran a lot.  I had this absorption that he was a coyote, that Southern California was some abode I grew up here, so you know, coyote's are everywhere and they had this affair and this way of walking and affective and attractive and that they're athirst all the time.  And there's this array of, they affectionate of attending like they're you know, not backward at all, but they attending like anemic in a way because they're so affair but they're aloof array of abnormally angry and scavengers and will breach afar any animal, you know?  In that arena in accurate like one of the choices that I believed was like he never acclimated utensils, you know.  He was consistently bistro like a coyote, you know?  I aloof ran, I ran, you know.  And I didn't eat that much.  It's absolutely that simple.  I beggarly it sucked.

[LAUGHTER]

GALLOWAY:  Did you archetypal the allotment on anybody?

GYLLENHAAL:  Yes.  There are aspects of a lot of people.  Primarily, Dan Gilroy who wrote and directed the movie, was a big admission aloof like in agreement of animality in a lot of ways, because Dan has this array of upright, actual amazing aspect about him.  But really, I modeled it afterwards an animal. I consistently acquisition you go aback to an animal; it will consistently appearance you the array of age-old aspects of behavior.  You consistently apperceive how to acknowledge if you accept that.  And I don't beggarly that like all of the abrupt I adjudge to case in the average of a arena or something, [LAUGH] but I anticipate that there's an inherent aspect, a actual simple, actual clear, actual primary blush to an beastly afterwards inhibition.  So you can watch it like fire, like a child, an animal.

GALLOWAY:  What's so absorbing is that the words and the apparent assume broken from the awfulness.  And it's like he could be talking about the weather.

GYLLENHAAL: Yep.

GALLOWAY: How do you cull that off? Do you accomplish addendum on your script?  Do you ball it altered ways?

GYLLENHAAL:  Yes.  Able-bodied aboriginal of all I acquire the absolute — this is the aboriginal time in a cine — I memorized the absolute movie, like I would a play.  So that we attempt the cine in 22 days, which is a actual abbreviate cutting schedule.  We attempt it all at night, able-bodied 22 nights really. And I aloof knew that there were these huge continued monologues and I knew that I capital to be able to get them out in one take.  But I knew the aberration wasn't activity to be in the booty it was activity to be, I beggarly like aural the booty it was activity to be booty to take.  Because we were aggravating to array of calibrate this guy.  So in agreement of the disconnection, I anticipate that came from absolutely afterward the writing.  You know?  I did not veer from a period, a comma, alike an benumbed aberration that Dan made.  Sometimes he put commas in the weirdest places, and I'd be like why did you put that there?  He'd say "Oh it charge accept been a mistake," I went "no, no, no." OK.  You know?  I'd ask him why he wrote it, and he'd be like, and this is aback you apperceive someone's accounting article brilliant.  They go, “I don't know.”  Because it comes from, whenever I feel like addition goes "well I wrote it because this, and this connects to that, and dah dah dah." OK, cool.  Aback they go like "oh, I don't know.  I don't apperceive area that came from." You know?  That's aback you're like-.  And about times, I'd ask Dan and I'd be like, "What.  Can you acquaint me why he's like-." "Oh, I don't know." You know?  And I'd be like, "OK, all right.  Able-bodied I'm aloof activity to say it." "Yeah, yeah aloof say it." You know?  And aback I would aloof array of say it, afresh like I accumulate adage it's like as an amateur in particular, 50% of your assignment can be done for you aback you're alive with bodies who not alone accept in you, but additionally who are exceptional.  And it's your job to be able to try and acquisition those people.  And it's not aloof the biographer or the director, it's everybody.  You know?  And there, you apperceive you are the article that carries all departments.  You are not, and I anticipate I acquisition this frustrating, aback actors accept they're special.  That the department, you know, oh I didn't-.  A microphone on me, like you know?  You backpack the apparel department, the complete department, the lighting administration has to ablaze you.  You know?  It's not like a privilege.  You apperceive what I mean?  They accept to bulk out your face and all that.  You know?  They accept to bulk out the appearance and the story.  And the administrator has to move and appearance the accomplished thing.  And so on and so forth.

GALLOWAY:  Who was the DP on all this?  Was it Robert Elswit?

GYLLENHAAL:  Robert Elswit.

GALLOWAY:  Who is your godfather?

GYLLENHAAL:  Yes.

GALLOWAY:  What did he advise you?

GYLLENHAAL:  Nothing. [LAUGHTER] No. Attending I accept a abstruse account for cinematographers.  That is my abstruse sauce, you know.  Like they are aggregate to me.  And to me I just, I'm a beatnik aback it comes to them.  And aback it comes to Robert and aback it comes to addition like Roger Deakins who attempt Prisoners and he attempt Jarhead too.  Aback it comes to bodies like that, you know, if they acquaint me to hit a mark, I'm activity to hit a mark.  Because they've additionally already anticipation about my job, that's the added absorbing thing.  Aback somebody's absolutely good, they're not aloof cerebration about their job.  They're adage like I'm allowance you too.  I'm not aloof absolution what you do.  You know?  And you know, alive with Robert, Robert is a storyteller.  He's not a cinematographer, he's a storyteller.  And to me, that's the graduation I achievement to get to in my profession.  That I'm not aloof an actor, I'm a storyteller.  And I anticipate that takes a continued time in, aback you accept one job on a cine set.  Architecture artists, actor, whatever.  To alum from aloof that to storyteller.  And aback he accomplished me was that you accept to be acquainted of the adventure no bulk what you're doing.  That you are in account of that story.  Not aloof how appealing that looks, or you know, what your character's doing.  Or you know, alone attractive at, I beggarly we're all activity to do it, like if I am an actor, I'm activity to be watching an actor's work.  Like it's inevitable.  I beggarly I'm watching and they're like the contour of bistro and activity like, am I affairs that, do I buy that?  Am I affairs that?  You know?  Is that believable?  Is that any good?  You know?  I'm watching all that in performance, but ultimately it's attractive above what you do to account the story.

GALLOWAY:  Will you abide producing?

GYLLENHAAL:  I achievement so.  I would adulation to.  That's what I would adulation to do.  I adulation artists, I love, I achievement you guys will appoint me some day. [LAUGH] I like absolutely do feel that way I think.   I adulation watching added bodies work, you know?  And putting bodies calm in a way that they can absolutely feel like they're accepting fun.  Like I said.  It's never like, I don't think, easy's a acceptable word, or hard's a acceptable chat aback you allocution about authoritative movies.  Because it's neither of those things, but adequate it alike aback it hurts.  

GALLOWAY:  I appetite to booty a attending at a blur you apparently did get aching on: Southpaw.  

GYLLENHAAL:  Yeah.

[CLIP]

GALLOWAY:  So you spent six months advancing for this part.

GYLLENHAAL:  Yeah.

GALLOWAY:  To get in appearance physically.  But I wondered if the hardest allotment ability accept absolutely been that scene, [where his wife dies in the movie] which is so intense.

GYLLENHAAL:  Yeah.

GALLOWAY:  How do you adapt for that?

GYLLENHAAL:  I anticipate you anatomy up the adulation amid these two people.  You know?  I anticipate Antoine Fuqua who directed the cine accustomed for this amplitude area Rachel's [Rachel McAdams] appearance and my appearance could absolutely abide as a ancestors in this space.  And I anticipate both of us absolutely fell in adulation with that space, you know?  We fell in adulation with our daughter, we were all calm all the time.  We were absolutely like a unit, you know, and we attempt all that actuality and there was a lot of architecture and aloof a lot of accepting to apperceive anniversary added as people, and Antoine was in there too.  And you know, and I anticipate additionally you aloof anatomy that up.  And I anticipate aloof the anticipation of those things actuality taken abroad is enough, you know?  It's aloof like particularly, I think, afresh like these things happen.  You know?  And I anticipate additionally aloof the apropos of that space, and you apperceive one of the things too is I accept and Michael Peña aback I formed with, on End of Watch he said to me article that was I anticipate one of the wisest things anyone's anytime absolutely said to me about acting, which is that you apperceive your aptitude is like a agrarian animal.  You know?  And you apperceive a tiger in the jungle, you know, if you try and acquisition it, it's not activity to, you're not activity to acquisition it, you apperceive they accept like the cameras aggravating to like shoot it at altered times of night and stuff.  And as anon as a beam goes off, it's gone.  You know?  It's that sensitive, that thing.  So the amplitude aural which to accept that beastly that has like appear out, needs to be quiet.  It needs to be respected.  You charge to actualize that amplitude for that thing.  And because it can go like that, it’s gone.  You're like dry, you know?  As an actor, you're aloof in a amplitude and afresh all of a abrupt things set you off and, and it's not like, you know, I anticipate you can acquisition it in a lot of altered ways, you know.  Things are blessings that are advancing at you in, hashtag [LAUGHTER], that are advancing at you at times, always.  So you can abolish them like "I charge my space, you know, and I aloof like ah, what's that sound, you know, uh." You know, or like things appear at you and they're consistently talking like, to you.  But in the case of that I anticipate the attributes of the bearings creates aggregate for you, you know?  And I anticipate additionally I acquisition concrete things, you know.  Aloof the activity of claret itself is abundant for me.  You know?  If you, alike if it's not absolute blood.  You know?  I beggarly that's enough, like sometimes there are actual simple things that are enough.  You know?  Sometimes you can be in a arena and you can alpha absolutely affective your anatomy in the way that you would emotionally, and it will admission that feeling.  You don't accept to go aback and anticipate about how this actuality yelled at you aback you were a baby, and blah, blah, blah.  You aloof accept to anticipation over and all of a sudden.  Aback you hold, decidedly for me in that scene, aback you authority a woman in your accoutrements who's adage "what's activity on?" That's abundant for me.  You know?  And I can't accord her an answer.  That's abundant for me.

GALLOWAY:  Are you anytime abashed that that affect will dry up?  And that you won't be able to admission it?  You know, I accept a acquaintance who's an extra and she said to me she couldn't admission the affect the way she did aback she was younger.

GYLLENHAAL:  I'm not abashed of that, because I anticipate there's array of a bit of a abandonment to that you know?  I beggarly inevitably, this is what Peter Sarsgaard, my brother-in-law absolutely accomplished me.  Which is like wherever you are, like you appear into a scene, you're like OK, able-bodied all right.  This arena is area I'm declared to be.  This is the arena area acutely I lose my wife, right?  Like that's abundant and, so I charge to be in this space, whatever it is.  Well, it makes me anticipate of Dustin Hoffman.  I formed with Dustin Hoffman aback I was a kid.  And Dustin afore the burial arena was like put on hip-hop, like crazy bad like pop hip-hop afore in the architecture trailer.  And I was like "what are, what is?" like and he was aloof like "yeah." And I was like not alone is he not a actual acceptable dancer, but he [LAUGHS] acknowledge god he chose the appropriate profession, but like he was like you accept to like a slingshot, go as far abroad from the activity that you're about to go into.  Like go accept fun, adore yourself.  

GALLOWAY:  That is so fascinating. I would accept anticipation the opposite.

GYLLENHAAL:  Right?  Right, yeah.  Able-bodied it's about technique, you know?  Like of advance you're activity to run dry I anticipate if you breach in the aforementioned abode and you are aggressive in the aforementioned abode and it's attainable from the aforementioned abode always.  It's never activity to be attainable from the aforementioned place, like you know, I beggarly animosity are, they're brief and that's what they are.  You know?  And he's the aboriginal guy, like you see Meryl Street.  I bethink watching Meryl Streep in, The River Wild. There's this arena area she's has a gun acicular at her, her family's in this-.  I beggarly by the way, it’s cool in a lot of ways.  Like she's on a raft, and it's like, there’s water's like, you know. And she starts, addition pulls a gun on her I think, I'm not absolutely absolutely acquainted of the arena and she just, she starts, you see her terrified.  And afresh all of a abrupt she starts to access out laughing.  She starts laughing.  Like she can't stop laughing.  Because she's abashed and she's affecting and there are no rules to what you're declared to feel.  That to me is like A cardinal one, that's the affair I accept to admonish myself all the time.  You airing into a arena there are no rules anytime about what you're declared to feel.  And so to me that was like, that's like, that one arena I consistently anticipate like "whoa." What a brilliant, you know, she aloof affective like wherever the gun's funny so it's f—ing funny.  You know?  It's like what are you activity to do?

GALLOWAY:  Great, abundant answer.  Let's get our apprentice questions — adequately briefly please, because we're active late.  

QUESTION: Out of aggregate you've done, is there a assertive band or chat that has absolutely ashore with you and why?

GYLLENHAAL:  Oh wow.  Wow.  Yeah.  Oh jeez.  Able-bodied there are curve that aloof stick with me, like I beggarly I still can bethink it's like every band that I say from Nightcrawler, I beggarly it's aloof consistently there.  

GALLOWAY:  Every line?

GYLLENHAAL:  I would say about every line, yeah.  You know, I beggarly I accept like funny like done interviews and someone's like "really?  And can you do the monologue?" I'm like, "yeah I can do any address from that cine alike now, because I memorized them like." But in agreement of emotionally, you apperceive what's funny about curve is that like I said like with, like the band in Brokeback Mountain like I had no absorption the resonance that line's-.  And it doesn't alike accept that resonance with me now, because it didn't accept that resonance aback I said it.  The curve that were added important to me were like the like, you know, "you calculation the abuse abounding times like, I can't survive on a brace of aerial distance fucks every once, alert a year." You know?  Those are the curve I could be, I could emote.  You know?  And afresh the one on my back's the one everyone's like "oh that line's amazing." You know?  

GALLOWAY:  About Humphrey Bogart and Claude Rains are adage the aforementioned thing.

GYLLENHAAL:  Well, that would be nice company, yeah.

QUESTION: Congratulations on your first-look accord with Adventurous Films. I appetite to apperceive so far what has abashed you the best about producing?

GYLLENHAAL:  Aloof how adamantine it is.  It's so hard.  It's a action in which you absolutely consistently booty two accomplish advanced and afresh it feels like three accomplish back.  You apperceive what I mean?  And it's like, and afresh like you got to bluff your way appear like one added footfall afterwards anybody seeing, you know?  It's like there's, it's aloof I anticipate aback I say adamantine I anticipate it's, you apperceive you're ambidextrous with so abounding personalities, you know, as an amateur you know, you appear in with your personality.  You know?  And you're like the aftermost one in usually in a lot of ways.  As a producer, it starts aback I allocution about aloofness and silence.  It starts afore anybody believes in it.  And I anticipate that's, you accept to accept a absolute faculty of self, and in adjustment to advance things through.  And so often, what's interesting, is how abounding bodies abolish an absorption that eventually everybody [gloms] onto.  So to me it's, that's what I beggarly by hard.

GALLOWAY:  Do you accept a admired activity you're aggravating to get off the ground?

GYLLENHAAL:  Yeah, but I'm awesome a little bit.  So I'm like…

GALLOWAY:  You're accustomed not to acknowledgment questions.

GYLLENHAAL:  And by the way, a lot of absolutely good, apparently bigger filmmakers than me in here, so if I say it, they're like "Oh that's a abundant idea." [LAUGHTER]

QUESTION:  Article I absolutely adore about you and your career is aloof like the array of assignment you've done.  Like aggregate is different.  Like there's the indies that fly beneath the radar, and the Oscar nominated dramas, and a rom-com.  And they're all so altered and so good, and I assumption what I would like to apperceive is like do you anticipate there's an element, like, in all of the projects you've called appropriately far that is present in every distinct one of them, and that affectionate of unites all of these projects that are, to the outsider, would attending so different?

GYLLENHAAL:  Oh yeah.  They're not all that good, but... Yeah, I aloof like, I can't not accept article absorbed to like what absolutely happens in absolute life.  Like I can't do a adventurous ball afterwards there actuality article area like, in the case of Annie Hathaway's character, her appearance ends up accepting Parkinson's, you know?  To me, I feel like that's love, you know?  Like to me.  So every cine has to accept that affectionate of faculty of that.  You apperceive I don't, not fantasy as much.  I don't do as able-bodied with that.  Yeah.  And additionally I anticipate yeah, like, about times I apprehend scripts and they're based on a knowledge, people's ability of movies as against to people's ability of themselves.  You know?  And aback I feel that, aback someone's adage like this is article for me, it's not aloof I adulation movies, and this is what a cine would do.  It's like the characters move the way that specific alone sees them move.  And to me that's what I'm consistently attractive for.  

QUESTION: I would like to say you're actual funny. I wasn't assured that.

GYLLENHAAL:  Acknowledge you.  My mom would accede with you.

GALLOWAY: I don't anticipate you could do Nightcrawler afterwards accepting an basal humor. Alike admitting it's so dark, there's additionally a amusement in that performance.

GYLLENHAAL:  It's funny, bodies are like, “Why are comedians so dark?” Like they're so dark.  And they're like, “Jake why don't you accomplish a blessed film, like a comedy?” They're the darkest bodies I know, comedians.  

GALLOWAY:  Sorry go ahead.

QUESTION:  But my catechism is, aback you're account a script, what intrigues you the most.  Is it the adventure or the appearance that you appetite to play?

GYLLENHAAL:  It depends absolutely I think, afresh I've absitively as an amateur the only, the ability I accept absolutely is in the performance.  It's the alone absolute abode I get to array of communicate.  Aggregate abroad is in the easily of anybody else, so I've afresh added started acrimonious things based on appearance and how abundant I can apprentice in agreement of into the real, in the absolute apple about that.  Like I've become bedeviled with acquirements added languages in movies, because I was like, aback I was like, but I abstruse how to box so why don't I aloof apprentice addition accent for a movie?  Do you know?  And.  Because I anticipate like I array of attending at it that way, so I'm accomplishing a movie, I'm accomplishing this cine with Antoine Fuqua that we're developing and the aboriginal bisected of the cine will be in Spanish.  You know?  And so to me, that idea.  Those things, and it's a appearance thing.  Activity into the appearance for me added and more.  But it's both, I beggarly you ambition to accept both, you know?  I mean, but about times now I will cede sometimes assertive things in a adventure for the character.  And that works sometimes and doesn't others.

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